Yes and No, uncertainty and a discussion

It all started with an innocuous yet a very deep Tweet. Suddenly some doors opened, some people (sjcakes, URM1, probabilism, KdProQuo) peeped in and started having a wonderful (and rather long) conversation that happened in a short time. No one knew where it was going to lead...

sjcakes: yes is the beginning of knowledge (tho I've heard "no" may be the beginning of wisdom).
KdProQuo: 'No' is the beginning of freedom.
sjcakes: depending on the question/desire, it can also be yes.
probabilism: perhaps it may be unjust to even walk on the path assessing righteousness of either of the words.
sjcakes: wisdom and knowledge are not righteousness - the are result and use to whatever end they're made.
URM1: Yes, is not necessarily always servile. No might mean the end of possibilities.
probabilism: A Yes may very well be close to the clear conscience. A No might imply a new chapter.
KdProQuo: No is more certain than a Yes?
URM1: How? Why? As @probabilism points out, a judgment is unfair. The operative word in this case should be 'situation'
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probabilism: certainty is a fact. calling out Yes or a No, one may be able to see the facts in retrospect.
URM1: Certainty is perception, belief. Quite different from fact, I'd say.
sjcakes: certainty is a perspective.
probabilism: certainty cannot be a perspective if one prioritizes relativity of life as secondary.
sjcakes: certainties can change. Review your life and see.
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probabilism: but I do see a point in what @KdProQuo has said. we dwell in greys & find comfort. perhaps black & white are needed.
KdProQuo: But Yes and No both can exist in either Black or White.
sjcakes: and their meanings spam a gamut of grays as well as colors.
sjcakes: darlings, the entire menagerie needs the full spectrum, the entire rainbow hues and shades too!
URM1: We pick colours as it suits us. A 'yes', a 'No' and a 'Maybe' are all decided on opportunity/convenience
KdProQuo: Or habit or comfort.
probabilism: indeed. so why not drive that partial willingness to cull out b&w | habit oriented comfort is perhaps lack of will.
sjcakes: more simply: drive out habit and kill it for the blood sucking life destroyer that it is
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URM1: So yes and no, good and bad, light and dark, two sides of the same coin, etc. and life goes on
sjcakes: two sides but there's also an edge - is the edge a third side? it always gets overlooked
probabilism: I think edge is the side that you can choose. perhaps often imbibed by b&w.
KdProQuo: this third side is what makes dissolves the blackness in black and adds the white and vice versa.
sjcakes: it is the INFINITE line enclosing black & white, bounding their edges & exploding infinite colored possibility
probabilism: exactly. that's why one could look beyond normalcy of relativity & visualize an absolute.
KdProQuo: Brother, I am scared of absolutes. They dissolve the intensity of grays that soothe and explain so much.
probabilism: no need. absolute is the other side. not the evil side.
sjcakes: so you absolutely want to deny the existence of absolutes out of fear??
KdProQuo: Yes the fear of losing freedom. The fear of subjecting to absolutes decided by a very subjective audience.
probabilism: Freedom is earned, thus not lost. audience changes over time but freedom is constant.
sjcakes: freedom can be lost. Earning doesn't preclude losing.
probabilism: the intensity of earning freedom is far too superior to the act of losing it. thus the sheer & clear winner.
URM1: Are you sure freedom is constant? I am not. And yes, @sjcakes, the edge/grey is the third side.
probabilism: it definitely is. like i said we stop at grey & forget what we can actually put to use.
sjcakes: tempted to site horrific cases to the contrary but too tired.
KdProQuo: reminds of "every win is not a victory and every victory is not a win."
sjcakes: PLAY THE GAME BUT DO NOT FOR A MOMENT MISTAKE IT FOR WHAT IS REAL.
URM1: Why must one try to be either? It isn't human. We need and use both.
URM1: The best we are allowed to have is a life of moral compromises in lieu of physical peace/comfort.
probabilism: moral compromises, eh. doesn't sound comforting considering this discussion.
probabilism: may be i said it wrong but i agree that both are needed.rather we need to use them.we simply seem to stop at grey.
URM1: Yes, we seem to stop at grey because grey is easy - makes no difficult demands on our conscience.
probabilism: and i have experienced it first hand - if you decide to get out of grey & ask for more, you are hated!
URM1: So suddenly it becomes about the judgement of others, rather than voice of the self? But I won't object.
sjcakes: which highlights the issue us confusing self w others. Needing others approval/conforming vs knowing/living u
probabilism: @URM1 yes. i would have loved it, had you objected it nonetheless :)
URM1: No, I understand how society plays us, and that to be able to lead peaceful lives we must alter our yeses and nos.
sjcakes: we forget it us a game and play it with our real person instead of PLAYING IT.
probabilism: as socially developed animals,perhaps we can make a choice & not let society outplay us. its not individualism am talking.
URM1: Sure we can. But do we? The ideal affirmations and negations hardly ever happen.
probabilism: yes yes. but that is not good enough reason to not enough try it.
URM1: Definitely. Some idealists are always needed to give this world hope. You pick your yes, I'll pick mine.
KdProQuo: That reply just made me smile. I agree. Moral compromises are required and are highly malleable.
probabilism: and I'll stand by your side to back you up. idealists fail because they stand up but never stand by.
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KdProQuo: Every grey has a black and white. Situations decide the intensity of either.
probabilism: and they equate in the end. my question is, why not equate it to start with.
URM1: But the question is does relativity ever take a backseat? Who can claim to be logical/emotional at all times?
sjcakes: I can CLAIM to be BOTH at all times.
probabilism: no one can claim so. but one must try to. this is exactly where bond b/w logic & belief comes in.
probabilism: but then if perception rises from my information or absence of it, where would belief stand? a hunch of logic?
sjcakes: (grinning) More things are perspective than even perspective wants to admit
KdProQuo: belief and logic rarely go hand in hand. belief is more instinctive. logical belief is science, yeah?
sjcakes: logic and belief. Depends.
probabilism: @KdProQuo i completely disagree with it.logic & belief are not different.to be honest, spending time with them tells you more
URM1: Sure they are opposing forces. But that does not stop us from choosing according to convenience.
probabilism: yup. and we can stop it. change the direction with belief. and proceed with logic.
URM1: But from time to time life makes us all select a black or a white, painful as it is. And we let 1 win - head or heart
sjcakes: pick red instead. Or green. Society will bitch and whinge. But after a moment will forget. But you won't.
probabilism: yes. ironically, if you make a habit out of it the pain subsides :)
sjcakes: the pain doesn't subside. You just get better at justifying your ignoring it
probabilism: you may be right about the ignoring part of it.

...No one still would probably know where it led. Apart from this blog post.

On rat races...

AC put up an interesting POV through his post Pursuing responsibilities & man made necessities before building a permanent career. It ensued some comments from me and AC did answer the queries. P chipped in with her fresh and positive outlook.

After a long time it was good to debate about something that all of us face and will face in our daily routines.

Weird?

"Everyone grows up and everyone is weird in their own way!"

"But then, you are not weird."

"Actually, I am. It's just that you don't find me weird, or maybe you like my weirdness!"

On hating prejudiced people

Just another FB status update and the comments on the status. Opinions are welcome and subject to readers attention and agreement / disagreement. :)

K: It's easy to hate prejudiced people...

AG: Oh the irony!

K: Paradoxical!

BK: No it's not easy.

HS: What if they are prejudiced in your favor?

K: ‎@BK- Then someone else might hate/dislike them.

BK: What I mean is that if you go deep in their thoughts and beliefs you'll find it reasonable somehow, we may not like it, yes its natural ;)

K: Someone understanding and humble might handle it the way you have put it.

RP: How right.. And at least one person seems to bump into you every day.

Tj: Prejudiced people are fun when they can back their kooky ideas with logic, a waste of time if not. So I guess I either love them or ignore them.

DT: Yeah and it is fun to play with their mind time and again. :P

Tj: ‎@DT Evil but incredibly fun to watch them go off, the truly prejudiced ones are usually parroting ideas so used, u wonder if they were ever new.

K: ‎@RP and DT - I totally agree with you guys, when prejudiced people start justifying their beliefs with unreasonable ideas, it is fun to argue with them. So, once you get over the hate/dislike, the habitual prejudiced folks are fun, eh?

Tj: Most certainly....I remember setting off a certain Political Party fan and every time we poked a hole in his theory he would basically repeat it as if that somehow answered the question...

Tj: On a different note I remember telling one of our HR that it's not that she doesn't get my point but that she does not want to get it, she hated hearing that but then HR are supposed to always smile and be nice, so she had to take it.

K ‎@Tj - Awesome stuff to the HR dude. Also regarding the Political Party fellow. That's a typical disaster management type of a thing when ones beliefs get shattered. Like, close your eyes and ears and repeat your (debated) belief to yourself so that it still withstands at least in your mind! :)

What do you say?

Updates

Here is one of my Facebook update and the comments that followed (I just felt like posting it!):

K: There is a pattern in most of things that humans do. Wise are those who can read these patterns in others and wiser are the ones who baffle others by deviating from these patterns while using a camouflage.

B: and these wiser people live their lives by cheating others in this way, and they are not to be trusted.

K: Trust is a heavy word to use. I agree with you. But then sometimes we have a limited choice.

B: yes being trustworthy is saints job nowadays !

K: You believe in simple living, yes? :) Well, from the look of what you saying, you certainly belong to the wise side. Those who can read others very well. Yes?

B: thats right ! but unfortunately I am not wise enough to read others !:D 

A: there's nothing wrong with deviating from this pattern...if nobody ever did that in the course of human history, we would still be living in caves marveling at the invention of fire...

K: This has more to do with human psychology than innovations. Like reactions to certain situations, manipulating people etc.

What do you say?

Grind It!

Move over Chuck Norris, Bye Bye Rajnikanth... The Geek is here! The Geek who breathes fire! I can say that you have been warned before you read this, but so long as the Geek doesn't say that, do not fear!

A: me swatahche khel invent karto, baki kay suru ahe?

K: mhane me swatahche khel invent karto, tu kay Chuck Norris ahes ka, ka Rajnikanth who has invented Chuck Norris

A: are Chuck Norris la jewha kaam jamat nahi tewha to majhya kade yeto. Once Chuck Norris and Rajnikanth doghe ekatra ale hote me chuck norris la mhanalo chuck this rajani cant and niether can you. mhanun mag mich tyanna madat keli

K: bhaari

A: mag watla kay tula, rajanikanth la bullet pakadayla mich shikawla, he bagh : (gives me some random Youtube link)

K: what u guys smoke up on youtube or what

A: mag kay ekdum daily dose milala nahi tar aswastha hota.

A: advantages of a 22 mbps line

K: salyano ikde tyamule kami bandwidth milte

A: te kay building madhla corporation cha pani ahe ka. khalchya lokanni jasta jorat nal sodla tar warchya majlyawar kami pressure yeta

K: ho

A: ho mhane

K: halliday resnick waach jara

A: tyat corporation chya panyabaddal lihila ahe ka?, khota

K: khaaas maharashtra edition, tula kasa milnaar sagle copies ithe samplet, kalli ka analogy

A: mag tyat mamala kiti wa kase paise dyawet mhanje swastat sutto, nahitar konachi olakh sangawi mhanje phuktat sutato he pan lihila asel

K: yes, ani newtons law governing puneri patya pan aahe

A: upayogi grantha distoy. Newtons law governing puneri patya: dar pati mage ek uparodhak updesh nahitar apaman hawa. 2nd law: dar patiwar tya paticha widamban karnari graffiti hawi 3rd la: warche don law na kalalyas amhala wicharu naye tapasun pahawe aple prathamik shikshan jhale ahe ka te

K: tu swatahala newton samju nakos

A: are ekda newton addition jamat nawhta mhanun majhyakade ala me tyala integral shikawla that is how calculus was invented

K: next time when u sit below a coconut tree, do watch out, and if i quote that sentence from u, there will be million engineers out to kill you, so u see, the peril!

A: are once a million engineers tried to kill me........but I converted them into paragons of non-violence

K: paragon chappal khaychiye ka tula, gheu ka dhotraat ha

A: are once someone tried to beat me with a paragon chappal. but I transformed the chappal beater into another chappal so that I had a complete pair. Me aaj pan tich chappal waparto

So, Grind It!

PS: Sorry this is in Marathi! Geek prefers Marathi!

Moon and the Box!

Sitting beside a lake in the moonlit sky,

Sitting beside a lake, i never ask me why,

why what all happened, had to happen?

Why hard to undo the pain, magic cannot be redone!

And sitting beside the lake i look at the moon,

Sitting beside the lake memories sift so soon.

Days seem so distant now, those days full of melodies,

Days they hurt so much now, these days full of parodies,

Days empty the light, Nights empty the breeze,

Time threatens the very existence of those memories!

And sitting beside the lake, the moon looks at me,

and I travel the land, that land where us were we.

And slowly I see and realise a golden box in the lake,

Immersed deep in the water, the works, twists and ache!

When sands and sun stole the feelings to store in that box,
As the game that dice did play, as guileful as a fox!

The Moon shines on that box and both reflect light,

the light that smirks at feelings, I gave up without a fight!

And the wind plays with the lake, as with us did play time,

And I just sit in the glimmer, in sands I trace this rhyme!

Choice made us walk away, choice made us grow apart,

We forgot the choice that helped us realise the heart!

And the Box and the Moon, one golden and one cream,

stare at me as I get lost, in what once I thought a dream!

And suddenly I realise that besides the lake, other side to me,

I see you look at the Moon and box, same past that even I can see!

and Hark the silence around, the silence that consumes us two,

Where i rhyme the noise from life in words, and see even you do!

So like this and lost in the box and the moon, symbols of yesterday,

Distant, Unfeeling and Ironic, Two pieces of a puzzle kept away!

I love myself as much as a penguin loves an Ipod!

K as usual is up to no good but is just up to rubbish! So you have been warned!

S: u saw Twilight or new moon?

K: Twilight

S: aah thats boring, but novel is awesome

K: i tried reading that and dropped it!

S: they did not do justice to the novel, Shut up

K: maybe after reading Lolita nothing seems as good!, not even close!

S: i read Shantaram, it took me 1 month to complete it, i found it boring

K: you know shut up shouldnt be used so profusely! that tells me that u arent ready to take criticism. to like shantaram u gotta be living and experiencing mumbai! if u found it boring your loss :)

S: yes nothing amazes me after i read fountain head

K: there i concur too :) also atlas shrugged!

S: shantaram is just a life story, ne 1 can write it

K: try doing that :)

S: but fountain head is far much, my life is not so exciting

K: of course its in a different league all together! fountainhead

S: i gifted it to my best friend, but he found it boring, ha ha, diff people, diff views, he loved shantaram

K: exactly, but i love both a lot :), shantaram as well as fountainhead, writing is not easy at all, and when u read gems like these man,its impressive. its not easy to get into anybody's psyche, those who think its easy for them to do that, havent read lolita yet!

S: nope, whats it abt?

K: google

S: tu mere liye bata nahin sakta kya, i used to share lyrics with u

K: thanks for that

S: uske paise abhi tak nahin diye tune

K: and sorry for bothering you like that, but yes

S: yes u must be sorry, h ehe

K: lolita is about this guy who likes this girl, yeah i am sorry for a lot of things :)

S: nope, my list is much longer, every1 has their own

K: everyone has their own demons yes, sometimes the demeanour can be totally deceptive

S: i dont know abt this aspect, but i love what i m, most of the times i m very stupid, ha ha, yesterday only i behaved very stupid

K: i keep reading and listening to folks who say / write that 'you should love yourself'

S: stupidity is another term for me

K: i dont, i cant and i dont even want to, i am happy being neutral about myself

S: if u cant love urself the u can never love anyone else

K: existentialism is what i like

K: if u cant love urself the u can never love anyone else - untrue!

S: u must start loving urself

K: and i can argue that

S: dont argue, just try

K: i can love someone without loving myself!, its a plain simple fact

S: no it is not possible

K: you can say its not possible for you

S: i can give u an example

K: i can give u a reverse example!

S: first let me try

K: alright, give me a concrete foolproof example

S: i never used to take care of my health, i was depressed and had lots of problems, but after i started loving myself, taking care of myself, so first start loving urself, if u cannot make urself happy, u can never make others happy

K: ok loophole number one, this applies to you so you cant generalize, loophole number two - if u cannot make urself happy, here benchmarks of 'happiness' can differ, being content is being happy, being happy for being content is not = loving urself, from what i read above, it seems more like you accepted yourself as you are, and moved on, which is really good

S: nope i started loving myself, i took care of me, i never took care of my health, now i eat proper fruits, do yoga

K: so that way every doctor loves every patient, every fruitseller loves every fruit buying customer, every yoga teacer loves their students!

S: u can argue as usual, but i know that i have started loving myself

K: what i wanna tell you, and really wanna tell you in general too, is that try not to generalise statements, if one things works for you

might not work for others, its good if you are happy with urself, as i said that is really good

S: try to simplify ur thoughts, dont make everything complex

K: its as simple as i said it above

S: i was just sharing my exp

K: which is really good

S: y do u need to complex it, i was telling u all

K: as i have said above, it is really important to accept who you are

S: is to start loving urself, and there is nothing harm in doing so, just try it, i started loving myself for what i m, i dont want to demean myself, i tried to be honest with me, i know what is good for me

K: in this case, you are trying to differentiate I and ME

S: all these happened after i started loving msyelf

K: you think you are different I ME AND MYSELF

S: again, compex, just sharing thgts yaar

K: i appreciate it, really

S: y do u have to complex it

K: i dont complicate it, i just see what strikes me, like i said before, i never came to terms with this loving oneself business

S: u must, try it, just for one day, only for today, try it

K: i drink alcohol cause that relaxes my mind, so am taking care of myself

S: dont drink alcohol

K: will that do?, haha now who decides that

S: its worst thing that u can do to urself

K: i have decided to love myself by treating myself with alcohol

S: dont laugh

K: but who decides that?

S: i m damn serious, i m deciding

K: isnt it supposed to be I loving MYSELF

S: because i m telling u to do something, thats destroying, not loving

K: so i find happiness in destroying stuff, and thats more me than anything else, so there is happiness

S: thats not happiness

K: now again, who decides that?

S: me, dont drink alcohol, its mother of all evils

K: oh i always though loving oneself was a free-from-society and free-from-what-others-think business, well what i thought was wrong

S: yes

K: so i am in love with mother of all evils, then what? i can still love something right? back to square one :)

S: loving oneself means treating ur body with best

K: who said so?

S: treating urself with best

K: Best Scotch?

S: keeping urself surrounded amongst best people

K: who am i to decide who is best?, that is degrading people!, i cannot decide who is best and who is not

S: complexity has become a part of you my friend

K: cause i know what i am worth or not worth!, well its more or less realisation!

S: nope

K: and with realisation comes a lot of things

S: just try to simplify

K: you know S, what works for you wont work for everyone else, and its high time you realise that

S: again complexity

K: yes, am 26 and soon going to be 27

S: :-)

K: thats what i have learnt, and experienced, and seen, and observed, and felt, felt is the most important!,

S: but can u try to love urself just for one day

K: i cant even think about it :)

S: or u want to shut ur mind with all ur experiences

K: u got it wrong, here i dont shut it, i rather open to all possibilities :)

S: then can u try?

K: i-loving-myself ?

S: ye, love, not destroying, love as in what u will like to do for your loved ones, for ur parents, ur frens, just try to do what u look in them, do it for urself

K: how can i do what i like to do to others to me?

S: buy a flower for urself

K: wow

S: just like u wld buy for ur wife, i might be sounding stupid

K: but i am an environmentalist and i detest buying flower for myself business, see

S: but buy a flower just for urself

K: lemme give you an example

S: ok then plant a tree, just pour water in the plant

K: that i do everyday!

S: hmm buy urself a gift, drink a glass of fresh juice, listen to ur fav songs

K: all this can be done without loving yourself

S: watch ur fav movie, ha ha

K: and dont tell me that doing all this is loving urself

S: that means u love urself, then whats it

K: exactly look what i said just before

S: if u cannot take time for urself, then ur not in love with urself

K: so if i just take time out for a girl means i love her?

S: take time just for urself

K: is love that simple?

S: yes u cannot dedicate ur time until u love someone

K: NO

S: love is of diff types

K: oh yes

S: u cannot categorize love

K: yes, totally, so when i say I love to hate you, whats that

S: :-) complexities

K: no its simple, i hate you, and i love hating you, if you thinkg thats complex, and if you think love is easy, wow, You win and i lose

S: u only hate so much a person because u cannot stop thinking abt that, take a deep breath n relax

K: not really

K: i can hate someone cause i wanna hate someone, think / no think, not my idea for now

S: complex, complex

do u love me?

K: cool i see what u reply is just 'complex', i dont love me :)

S: complex

K: i cant love me

S: do u love me

K: i told you

S: do u love S?

K: i respect S, i like some antics

S: do you love S?

K: nope

S: hmm ok, simple, :-)

K: not loving someone is easy beta

S: just read the complexities u added, for this single question, the answer was simple yes or no

K: knowing why you love someone is difficult

S: compex

K: haha

S: try to avoid it

K: wish the world was a simple yes or no

S: complex

K: cool

S: avoid it,trust me

K: i dont want to!

S: trust me

K: i cant!

S: avoid complexities

K: not on this!

S: Trust me,just once

K: i cant capital-T-Trust you, i dont want to!, I am happy with complexities, i am content with complexities

S: but u dont seemed to be happy

K: i love these complexities

S: u always complaining

K: yes cause i am happy from my definition of happy not anyone elses!, i dont define me from what somebody tells me, :)

S: read this chat once more

K: that would be manipulating myself

S: b4 u write something, read this chat

K: i am not gonna write anything

K: u think your yes / no theory will move me melt me?

S: read

K: u think i was not reading?

S: read

K: cool, I love myself as much as a Penguin loves an Ipod, damn, why didnt i know this before

S: :-), complex

K: and yes, when i do share the chat i share with the world :)

S: simple

K: with permission of course :)

S: simple, dont complex it

K: are u telling me or urself, cause there is not use telling me :)

S: never say never

K: COMPLEX!, haha

S: :-), simple

K: and the circle completes

Might... Maybe and Not!

The hardest thing in life is letting go of what you thought was real. -Unknown

But then, how do you define reality? Perception? Illusion? Even though perceptions can make you sad and illusions can make you happy or vice versa. Till yesterday the castle of feelings was strong. Today it has become a castle made of cards. The winds of time and the winds of change just pushed the cards and scatter them into memories.

But then does that stop us from standing at the cliff to jump into water? To feel the exhilaration for the time before you hit the water? Then the plunge into cold water that freezes the adrenalin in an ecstatic way? I am ready to unleash myself. Why? Just because the madness is peaceful, just because I don't want to inhibit myself. I am crossing the thin line from rationality to the little known place. The place where clarity speaks for itself. Where numbness is the surreal music that plays and where darkness is the light that shines and makes every feeling shine like reality.

But then, why all this stupid garbage talk? Why? Why can't I run away to you? Why can't I shake you up and tell you don't let go of our feelings, don't let go of the connection that we have. Don't say its past and you don't know where to go from here. Bury me away, but don't replace what we built. Keep me alive as I have cherished you. Every day, every moment. The senses... the perceptions... and the feelings... nothing can take it away. Let a snake charmer come, charm you away... but remember the concoction of our poisons... you know, as much or more than I know... nothing can take that away. No one can take that away.

But then was it real? Yes. Was it just an escape? No. It was something pure and true... in its simplest form. Why did it not last? Maybe it was not supposed to. Something as precious... got rusted. Who is to blame? Circumstances? No. Where do we go from here? Our own trails. What if our paths cross again? Haha... Hope you at least try to melt a stone that I might become then! Might... Maybe and Not!

Guru Gyan!

K: arey baapre
R: kay?
oh my status again?
K: genocide alert,,
R: hehe... je ghadtay te innocently lihite
underline innocently thrice
K: thrice
aint that too less
R: nahi re... hyachya peksha jaasta nahi lihita yet... majboori ka doosra naam gandhiji hai :P
K: why gandhi?
why not R?
R: nahi nahi
R is never majboor...
K: oh how can it be like that
R: even if she has to be for some reason
K: R is R
R: she takes it on udhari basis from gandhiji
but never owns it
K: oh nice
beautiful
khadi on rent is it
R: yeah.... selective alternatives....
I CHOOSE
in a free country
K: awesome
R: ;)
K: who said the country is free
there is no Free Lunch
R: my country is
talk about someone who's getting free lunch almost 80 % of the time
K: lol
thats being cut from my salary
that aint completely free
R: naah.... its like putting thngs on sale
K: totally
R: triple the price and then give a 10% discount
K: first increase the price...
R: so your salary is tripled
K: precisely put
:)
R: then a meagre amount is cut
K: right right
tripled yeah
R: haha u must hate me for what i am saying
:P
hehe
K: just like the triple underline in ur innocence right?
R: that's pure reality
innocence personified
K: there is nothing such as reality my friend
reality is just but percieved facts
which can be miscontrued on the way
R: facts nevertheless
plainly put as reality
in common man's terms
K: reality is just but percieved facts
which can be miscontrued on the way
R: i am a common man
K: that was the complete sentence
R: i got that
K: u talk about genocide
and still you are a common man
and still the country is free?
R: sab Maya hai
u'll have to go beyond illusions to understand the concept
K: now u are contradicting urself Oh Common Man
R: that's teh sad fate of common man....
no choice but to contradict oneself at every step
to survive
K: fantastic
Contradiction is a Common Mans Curse
could it be?
R: boon...
only opportunity where a common man can conveniently contradict himself to save his skin
so a BOON
K: but the very fact that he has to rely on Contradiction to Save his skin
R: tragic
but true
K: precise words
R: baas aata
bhaari zhala
K: Ok bye
R: ya
bye
K: Peace
R: prevail for
Ever

Frustrations!

C : Happy Independence Day
K: man change ur status
Sent at 11:35 PM on Monday
C: nahi
K: ok
Sent at 11:35 PM on Monday
C: desh drohi
K: look who is sitting where and who is calling whom what
Sent at 11:36 PM on Monday
C: tht really doesnt matter u know tht
K: everything that has to matter matters
everything that doesnt does too!
Sent at 11:38 PM on Monday
C: thts wot
Sent at 11:39 PM on Monday
C: and now u tryin to buy ur way out
K: no some ways are free
Sent at 11:39 PM on Monday
C: talkin like a desh drohi huh??
K: boundaries are created by humans
and humans break them
Sent at 11:42 PM on Monday
C: there u go
u r referring to humans as Indians
K: and why is that so
Sent at 11:42 PM on Monday
K: u might be perceiving something else
Sent at 11:43 PM on Monday
C: i never argue with desh drohis
K: what if ur definition is wrong
Sent at 11:44 PM on Monday
C: ur definitions and boundaries r wrong
thts yy u r a desh drohi
K: wrongly taken
boundaries dont exist for me
and definitions are but cages
built by humans to trap in words
Sent at 11:47 PM on Monday
C: tht means u will crossover to Pakistan and u r against India's Voice
K: that could also mean that i would bring peace to Afghanistan’s oppressed and represent humanity
if you look through a blue glass the worlds looks blue
C: Taliban also wanted peace
only as U say
K: nope
taliban wanted to control
C: their definition of peace was different
K: not peace
C: bush wants peace
K: same thing
C: once they have the oil of the world
K: bush is paranoid to the shitless extent
C: so u also want peace once u have betrayed our Beloved Bharat Mata (sniff)
SO R U
angry face
K: well
what we know of india is something that we are taught of
we rarely have felt what it is to belong
and to make the most of this belonging
to the extent that somethings that have made us indians have also kept us away from being truly indians
C: so u want to b a Chinese patriot now
K: i want to join the humane brigade
C: Jihad??
K: if jihad is human, then gmail is yahoo
Sent at 11:56 PM on Monday
C: gmail and yahoo were founded by colleagues / friends / classmates Leaves of the same tree STANFORD
K: and they were after all HUMANS
Sent at 11:59 PM on Monday
C: yeah i mean to say they come from the same roots
K: but their fruits are different
an apple tree cannot grow mangoes
technically it can but then it doesnt remain an apple tree
Sent at 12:00 AM on Tuesday
C: thts wot u r a Desh Drohi
K: i think i am going to put this chat on my blog
C: yeah so tht u can broadcast to ur fellow Desh Drohis how a Patriot Indian thinks
u guys have advanced
u use computer technology now-a-days